two wrongs don't make a right, they say

Torture is always wrong. I don't care how many lives may have been saved, though I doubt that any actually were.

The CIA and its apologists are trying to justify their evil actions by claiming that some useful information was gained via torture. They won't use the word torture, of course, but that is precisely what it was. And you know, I don't care how many lives were saved, not that any actually were.

Was there a doomsday device poised to shatter the entire planet? No? Well, then, you're just evil if you torture people. You have become as bad as your enemy, the so-called "evildoers" Dubya spoke of. You have done evil, willingly; you have become an "evildoer".

There is justifiable outrage around the world, along with calls for charges against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the rest of that nefarious cabal. And there should be. In fact, I'd be surprised if they don't find themselves in the same boat as Henry Kissinger, unable to travel to certain countries lest they be arrested for war crimes.


  1. Agree with all you write. I don't think other US Presidents of my lifetime would ever in their wildest fantasies (Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, even Nixon, Agnew, Reagan, Bush Snr, or Clinton) would have been prevailed upon to sanction the things Bush 43 was - a fundamentally flawed and weak individual in my view. He, Cheney and Rumsfeld need to be indicted at The Hague. If it was right for Milosevic it's certainly right for them. Cheney's interview with Fox saying they all knew and he would do it again is almost a confession I think.

  2. Torture isn't just morally wrong, as you correctly point out, it also produces False Evidence. Unless the Troture Proponents believe every person "put to the question" i.e. Tortured by the Inquistion was actually a Witch.